Discussion:
GetClub vs IVAN Big fight
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Sanny
2009-05-26 17:01:14 UTC
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Beginner (15 sec) Vs Ivan 80 sec
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Beginner Much improved today So will give a big Fight to IVAN.

Ok First move is 1. e4

Waiting for your move.

Bye
Sanny


Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
SAT W-7
2009-05-26 17:21:35 UTC
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C-7 to C-5 , Ivans move
Sanny
2009-05-26 17:32:21 UTC
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C-7 to C-5  , Ivans move
GetClub played N-f3.

1. e4 c5
2. Nf3

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
SAT W-7
2009-05-26 21:30:43 UTC
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Ivans move E-7 to E-6 ....Pawn

Wow , i can not remember Ivan opening like this so when we get into it a
few more moves maybe some one can tell us the name of this opening...

Your scared to open D-2 to D-4 , i need Helpbot or Mr K to explain the
opening to me .
In other words which one of these moves leads to a more complicated
game E-2 to E-4 or D-2 to D-4 ??
Or Sanny just tell me what scares you about that D- to D-4 move ?


Hey i have a bet , lets say Ivan wins this game then the next game we
play " Normal level " AND you open D-2 to D-4 ........
IF Ivan loses then the next game we play this level and you open E-2
to E-4 ....
Sound like a fair bet to you ??


i just think ivan is stronger than gc at this level..
but we will see , every game is different.....

we can just move from this thread and let the other one die....
Sanny
2009-05-27 05:40:56 UTC
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Post by SAT W-7
Ivans move E-7 to E-6 ....Pawn
GetClub played P-d4.

1. e4 c5
2. Nf3 e6
3. d4

Simmilar Game:
http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM46066&game=Chess
Post by SAT W-7
Wow , i can not remember Ivan opening like this so when we get into it a
few more moves maybe some one can tell us the name of this opening...
Your scared to open D-2 to D-4  , i need Helpbot or Mr K to explain the
opening to me .
 In other words which one of these moves leads to a more complicated
game  E-2 to E-4  or D-2 to D-4 ??  
  Or Sanny just tell me what scares you about that D- to D-4 move ?
From my Experience e4 is stronger for white.
Post by SAT W-7
 Hey i have a bet , lets say Ivan wins this game then the next game we
play  " Normal level " AND you open D-2 to D-4 ........
    IF Ivan loses then the next game we play this level and you open E-2
to E-4 ....
   Sound like a fair bet to you ??
We will play with Easy Level Which is one step higher than Beginner
Level.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
SAT W-7
2009-05-27 05:49:18 UTC
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C-5 x D-4 pawn takes pawn ..

Ok on the Easy level if Ivan wins ..

it has been awhile ago since ivan has opened like this ..
Sanny
2009-05-27 06:41:31 UTC
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Post by SAT W-7
C-5 x D-4 pawn takes pawn ..
GetClub took your pawn with knight. Nxd4

1. e4 c5
2. Nf3 e6
3. d4 cxd4
4. Nxd4

Simmilar Game:
http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM46066&game=Chess
Post by SAT W-7
Ok on the Easy level if Ivan wins ..
it has been awhile ago since ivan has opened like this ..
Alright.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
SAT W-7
2009-05-27 07:51:29 UTC
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A-7 to A-6 pawn

Made move right away ..
Sanny
2009-05-27 11:51:38 UTC
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Post by SAT W-7
A-7 to A-6 pawn
[This move made by Beginner Level]

GetClub played Bishop to e3. Be3

1. e4 c5
2. Nf3 e6
3. d4 cxd4
4. Nxd4 a6
5. Be3

GetClub has 1.5 advantage.

[GetClub now as Strong as Rybka]

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
SAT W-7
2009-05-27 18:37:36 UTC
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Ivans move is Pawn D-7 to D-5

GC + 0.I

another interesting game ..
SAT W-7
2009-05-27 21:09:46 UTC
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Off until i get home from work ..

work 5.00 PM to 3.45 AM .....

still long nights of work..

by

will check back around 4.45 am to 5.00 am.....

west cost time ..
Sanny
2009-05-28 05:06:09 UTC
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Ivans move is  Pawn D-7 to D-5
GetClub took your pawn at d5. exd5


1. e4 c5
2. Nf3 e6
3. d4 cxd4
4. Nxd4 a6
5. Be3 d5
6. exd5

GetClub has 1.1 advantage.

Center is controlled by GetClub.

[GetClub now as Strong as Rybka]

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
SAT W-7
2009-05-28 12:41:54 UTC
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Pawn E-6 x D-5 ..

GC + 0.2

5.33 am now ..going to bed , back in to work at 5.00 PM ..i will still
come to make a move before i leave for work if you have moved ..

Looks like a wide open game now ..
t***@comcast.net
2009-05-28 13:19:19 UTC
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Post by SAT W-7
Pawn E-6 x D-5 ..
GC + 0.2
5.33 am now ..going to bed , back in to work at 5.00 PM ..i will still
come to make a move before i leave for work if you have moved ..
Looks like a wide open game now ..
Hmmm, I was hoping Ivan would play 6...Qxd5, and if 7.Nc3 Bb4,
planning to inflict doubled pawns on White. As we all know, doubled
pawns are the most serious weakness, worse even than losing the queen.
Sanny
2009-05-28 15:59:51 UTC
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Post by SAT W-7
Pawn E-6 x D-5 ..
GetClub Played knight to c3. Nc3

1. e4 c5
2. Nf3 e6
3. d4 cxd4
4. Nxd4 a6
5. Be3 d5
6. exd5 exd5
7. Nc3

GetClub has 2.0 advantage.

Center is controlled by GetClub. Looks like White has major advantage.

[GetClub now as Strong as Rybka]

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
SAT W-7
2009-05-28 18:52:24 UTC
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ivans move is Knight G-8 to F-6

II.47 am now just woke up but going back to bed..still tired..

GC + 0.2 ....You have 2.0 ? that might be why GC loses a lot too , it
thinks it is father a head than it really is ..
SAT W-7
2009-05-28 21:11:48 UTC
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Got to get ready for another long night of work..
II hours again .....YUCK...ha ha...

will look for the move when i get home..by by

Ivan need to get bishop out then castle..
Sanny
2009-05-29 04:01:16 UTC
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ivans move is  Knight G-8 to F-6
GetClub Played Bishop to g5 attacking your knight. Bg5

1. e4 c5
2. Nf3 e6
3. d4 cxd4
4. Nxd4 a6
5. Be3 d5
6. exd5 exd5
7. Nc3 Nf6
8. Bg5

GetClub has 1.4 advantage.

Center is controlled by GetClub. Looks like White has major
advantage.

[GetClub now as Strong as Rybka]

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
Eric Hallsworth
2009-05-29 12:13:16 UTC
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Post by Sanny
ivans move is  Knight G-8 to F-6
GetClub Played Bishop to g5 attacking your knight. Bg5
1. e4 c5
2. Nf3 e6
3. d4 cxd4
4. Nxd4 a6
5. Be3 d5
6. exd5 exd5
7. Nc3 Nf6
8. Bg5
GetClub has 1.4 advantage.
Center is controlled by GetClub. Looks like White has major
advantage.
[GetClub now as Strong as Rybka]
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
Now that [GetClub now as Strong as Rybka] it might be interesting to
compare what Rybka would have done at various stages as this game
progresses

On move 7 Rybka would play c4 rather than 7.Nc3?! which blocks the c-
pawn. The Rybka idea would be to have a pawn presence in the centre or,
if Ivan takes on c4, after Bxc4, White really does have central control

Rybka would never play 8.Bg5? It would not want to move the same piece
twice this early in the game unless absolutely necessary, especially
when there is other development to be completed. In fact if Ivan now
plays 8...Be7! it is Rybka's view that GetClub has already lost its
first move advantage and the position is virtually equal. So GetClub
says White +1.4, Rybka says White +0.1

Cheers - Eric
--
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Wilburton, Cambs CB6 3RB. Tel: 01353 740323
Website for Chess & Bridge Computers & Software:
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SAT W-7
2009-05-29 12:35:45 UTC
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Bishop F-8 to C-5

GC + 0 .I

Yeah Rybka would be pretty much putting ivan in checkmate by now
..LOL....

Rybka and Ivan have the same evaluation of the game + 0.I

Since Rybka said the bishop E-7 was the better move i wonder why ivans
programmer set it to make this move ? F-8 to C-5.....

I wonder if GC will trade the knight for bishop ?

will wait for Sanny to move and see.

I need to sleep , but i will check it before i head out .
Eric Hallsworth
2009-05-29 13:10:59 UTC
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Post by SAT W-7
Bishop F-8 to C-5
GC + 0 .I
Yeah Rybka would be pretty much putting ivan in checkmate by now
..LOL....
Rybka and Ivan have the same evaluation of the game + 0.I
Since Rybka said the bishop E-7 was the better move i wonder why ivans
programmer set it to make this move ? F-8 to C-5.....
I wonder if GC will trade the knight for bishop ?
will wait for Sanny to move and see.
I need to sleep , but i will check it before i head out .
Goodness, Bc5 is a pretty poor move, how long is Ivan set to think for?
- maybe GetClub can win this and be crowned Chess King of the Universe

White can defend the knight very neatly with 9.Qe2+ Kf8 10.0-0-0 and
that's a nice advantage!

Cheers - Eric
--
Eric Hallsworth, Countrywide Computers, Victoria House, 1 High Street,
Wilburton, Cambs CB6 3RB. Tel: 01353 740323
Website for Chess & Bridge Computers & Software:
http://www.countrywidecomputers.co.uk
Sanny
2009-05-29 16:11:48 UTC
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Post by SAT W-7
Bishop F-8 to C-5
GetClub gave check with Queen. Qe2+

1. e4 c5
2. Nf3 e6
3. d4 cxd4
4. Nxd4 a6
5. Be3 d5
6. exd5 exd5
7. Nc3 Nf6
8. Bg5 Bc5
9. Qe2+

GetClub has 1.4 advantage.

Now looks like Queen will get exchanged.

[GetClub now as Strong as Rybka]

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
SAT W-7
2009-05-29 16:51:06 UTC
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Ivans move is bishop C-5 to E-7..


Ivan thinks 45 moves in I45 minutes , ( one hundred forty five minutes
) some moves it takes longer than other moves .

There is Rybkas move , one move too late .

GC + 0.I

still very tired but i need to get stuff done ,mow lawn , and do some
running around so i am off line for awhile ....

Ivan is not a strong program ....BUT at this level i have only won , one
game and lost 400 + games over the years ...
t***@comcast.net
2009-05-29 17:09:00 UTC
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Post by SAT W-7
Ivans move is bishop C-5 to E-7..
Ivan thinks 45 moves in I45 minutes , (  one hundred forty five minutes
) some moves it takes longer than other moves .
There is Rybkas move , one move too late .
GC + 0.I
still very tired but i need to get stuff done  ,mow lawn , and do some
running around so i am off line for awhile ....
Ivan is not a strong program ....BUT at this level i have only won , one
game and lost 400 + games over the years ...
Mr. Hallsworth was correct about 8...Bc5?; pretty bad move. Better
was 8...Be7. Ivan has really botched the opening here. Now, assuming
GC follows up correctly with 10.Bxf6 gxf6, Black will have a hard time
finding a safe place for his king. Of course, given GC's rather poor
attacking ability, it may not matter.
Sanny
2009-05-29 17:49:02 UTC
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Post by SAT W-7
Ivans move is bishop C-5 to E-7..
GetClub took your knight at f6. Bxf6

Your forced move gxf6

Then GetClub Played 0-0-0 Chastling on queenside

1. e4 c5
2. Nf3 e6
3. d4 cxd4
4. Nxd4 a6
5. Be3 d5
6. exd5 exd5
7. Nc3 Nf6
8. Bg5 Bc5
9. Qe2+ Be7
10. Bxf6 gxf6
11. 0-0-0

GetClub has 2.0 advantage.

[GetClub now as Strong as Rybka]

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
SAT W-7
2009-05-29 20:02:51 UTC
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ivans move is B-8 to C-6 knght ...

GC + 0.I

this opening is a lot better for gc and ivan is in trouble but i have
faith in ivan and gc needs a larger lead for the end game to win....

Need to get out and mow lawn .
Sanny
2009-05-30 05:28:44 UTC
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ivans move is  B-8 to C-6 knght ...
GetClub Played Queen to d3. Qd3

1. e4 c5
2. Nf3 e6
3. d4 cxd4
4. Nxd4 a6
5. Be3 d5
6. exd5 exd5
7. Nc3 Nf6
8. Bg5 Bc5
9. Qe2+ Be7
10. Bxf6 gxf6
11. 0-0-0 Nc6
12. Qd3

GetClub has 2.5 advantage.

[GetClub now as Strong as Rybka]
  this opening is a lot better for gc and ivan is in trouble but i have
faith in ivan  and gc needs a larger lead for the end game to win....
GetClub is points up. Thats enough for a win.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
SAT W-7
2009-05-30 05:37:34 UTC
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ivans move is Knight C-6 to E-5 ..

GC + 0.I

very close game still ..
Sanny
2009-05-30 06:17:03 UTC
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ivans move is  Knight C-6 to E-5 ..
GetClub Played Queen to g3. Qg3

1. e4 c5
2. Nf3 e6
3. d4 cxd4
4. Nxd4 a6
5. Be3 d5
6. exd5 exd5
7. Nc3 Nf6
8. Bg5 Bc5
9. Qe2+ Be7
10. Bxf6 gxf6
11. 0-0-0 Nc6
12. Qd3 Ne5
13. Qg3

GetClub has 1.5 advantage.

[GetClub now as Strong as Rybka]

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
SAT W-7
2009-05-30 06:26:08 UTC
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E-8 to F-8 King move

GC + 0.2
Sanny
2009-05-30 07:36:42 UTC
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E-8 to F-8  King move
GetClub Played King to b1. Kb1

1. e4 c5
2. Nf3 e6
3. d4 cxd4
4. Nxd4 a6
5. Be3 d5
6. exd5 exd5
7. Nc3 Nf6
8. Bg5 Bc5
9. Qe2+ Be7
10. Bxf6 gxf6
11. 0-0-0 Nc6
12. Qd3 Ne5
13. Qg3 K-f8
14. Kb1

GetClub has 2.35 advantage.

[GetClub now as Strong as Rybka]

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
t***@comcast.net
2009-05-30 15:56:41 UTC
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Post by Sanny
E-8 to F-8  King move
GetClub Played King to b1. Kb1
1. e4 c5
2. Nf3 e6
3. d4 cxd4
4. Nxd4 a6
5. Be3 d5
6. exd5 exd5
7. Nc3 Nf6
8. Bg5 Bc5
9. Qe2+ Be7
10. Bxf6 gxf6
11. 0-0-0 Nc6
12. Qd3 Ne5
13. Qg3 K-f8
14. Kb1
GetClub has 2.35 advantage.
[GetClub now as smells as Strong as week-old dead fish]
Hang in there, SAT-W7. GetClub has already missed two chances to
increase its advantage: 12.Qd3?! instead of 12.Qh5!, and the
archetypally pointless 14.Kb1?! instead of 14.Nde2, winning the d-
pawn. So already there are indications that GC may not know how to
capitalize on its early advantage.

BTW, watch out for Sanny trying to cheat by taking back moves. His
program does that now. Fortunately in this game all the moves are
played in public, so I suppose he won't have the opportunity. But he
probably would if he could!
Sanny
2009-05-30 16:40:08 UTC
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  Hang in there, SAT-W7. GetClub has already missed two chances to
increase its advantage: 12.Qd3?! instead of 12.Qh5!, and the
archetypally pointless 14.Kb1?! instead of 14.Nde2, winning the d-
pawn.  So already there are indications that GC may not know how to
capitalize on its early advantage.
  BTW, watch out for Sanny trying to cheat by taking back moves. His
program does that now. Fortunately in this game all the moves are
played in public, so I suppose he won't have the opportunity. But he
probably would if he could!- Hide quoted text -
There was a bug. So it played Bxd4. After the bug was corrected. 4
moves were removed just for your pleasure.

Its nice to play with non buggy program than a buggy one.

Today GetClub was improved as a big bug was asking it to kill pieces
for positional advantage.

I hope this game against Normal you will win easily as 20 moves have
been played with the bug.

If you wish I cancel your game so that you can start a new game.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
SAT W-7
2009-05-30 17:07:08 UTC
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Ivans move is H-8 to G-8 rook

even game 0.0 ......

Yeah i am not worried , i think Sanny needs to play easy or normal level
to beat Ivan ..Even then i have my doubts that GC can win....

Yes GC moving it's King was a wasted move .

GC Knight D-to E-2 , would not get that D-5 pawn , Ivan would move
bishop C-8 to E-6 .
But then again , gc knight x pawn , bishop x knight and ivans bishop is
pinned and then C-2 to C-4 pawn attacking pinned bishop ..would ivan see
the pawn move ??? I do not think so..
now gc has to move his queen.....

still a interesting game

working long hours again this week
5.00 PM to 3.30 am ....

going back to sleep for awhile if i can ...

will try and come back here before i leave for work ..west cost time
.around 2.00 PM or so.

by by
Sanny
2009-05-30 17:46:49 UTC
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Ivans move is  H-8 to G-8 rook
GetClub Played King to b1. Kb1

1. e4 c5
2. Nf3 e6
3. d4 cxd4
4. Nxd4 a6
5. Be3 d5
6. exd5 exd5
7. Nc3 Nf6
8. Bg5 Bc5
9. Qe2+ Be7
10. Bxf6 gxf6
11. 0-0-0 Nc6
12. Qd3 Ne5
13. Qg3 K-f8
14. Kb1 Rg8
15. Qe3

GetClub has 0.88 advantage.

[GetClub now as Strong as Rybka]
even game 0.0 ......
Yeah i am not worried , i think Sanny needs to play easy or normal level
to beat Ivan ..Even then i have my doubts that GC can win....
No this game GetClub will win.
Yes GC moving it's King was a wasted move .
That was to protect the a2 pawn.
  GC Knight D-to E-2 ,  would not get that D-5 pawn , Ivan would move
bishop C-8 to E-6 .
But then again , gc knight x pawn , bishop x knight and ivans bishop is
pinned and then C-2 to C-4 pawn attacking pinned bishop ..would ivan see
the pawn move ???  I do not think so..
now gc has to move his queen.....
Lets see. You made a good calculation.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
Sanny
2009-05-30 17:51:00 UTC
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Post by Sanny
Ivans move is  H-8 to G-8 rook
GetClub Played King to b1. Kb1
GetClub Played Queen to e3 15. Qe3.
SAT W-7
2009-05-30 21:11:31 UTC
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Queen D-8 to D-6 ..

even 0.0

Ok Sanny i am off until about 4.30 AM Sun....
SAT W-7
2009-05-30 21:20:29 UTC
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queen D-8 to D-6 , just wanted to make sure i sent it ..

OK now i am off for I3 to I5 hours....by by

i do not want to work but i have too...
Sanny
2009-05-31 05:17:14 UTC
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Post by SAT W-7
queen D-8 to D-6 , just wanted to make sure i sent it ..
GetClub Played Rook to e1. Re1

1. e4 c5
2. Nf3 e6
3. d4 cxd4
4. Nxd4 a6
5. Be3 d5
6. exd5 exd5
7. Nc3 Nf6
8. Bg5 Bc5
9. Qe2+ Be7
10. Bxf6 gxf6
11. 0-0-0 Nc6
12. Qd3 Ne5
13. Qg3 K-f8
14. Kb1 Rg8
15. Qe3 Qd6
16. Re1

GetClub has 0.9 advantage.

[GetClub now as Strong as Rybka]

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
SAT W-7
2009-05-31 12:05:15 UTC
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Bishop C-8 to D-7

GC +0.2

gc has been playing with the lead most of this game..

nite
SAT W-7
2009-05-31 21:06:12 UTC
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Have to head out soon by by,,,off for the next I4 hours or so ,,,
Sanny
2009-06-01 04:27:49 UTC
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Post by SAT W-7
Bishop C-8 to D-7
GetClub Played Queen to e2. Qe2

1. e4 c5
2. Nf3 e6
3. d4 cxd4
4. Nxd4 a6
5. Be3 d5
6. exd5 exd5
7. Nc3 Nf6
8. Bg5 Bc5
9. Qe2+ Be7
10. Bxf6 gxf6
11. 0-0-0 Nc6
12. Qd3 Ne5
13. Qg3 K-f8
14. Kb1 Rg8
15. Qe3 Qd6
16. Re1 Bd7
17. Qe2

GetClub has 0.9 advantage.

[GetClub now as Strong as Rybka]
Post by SAT W-7
GC +0.2
gc has been playing with the lead most of this game..
Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
Eric Hallsworth
2009-06-01 11:22:11 UTC
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Post by Sanny
Post by SAT W-7
Bishop C-8 to D-7
GetClub Played Queen to e2. Qe2
1. e4 c5
2. Nf3 e6
3. d4 cxd4
4. Nxd4 a6
5. Be3 d5
6. exd5 exd5
7. Nc3 Nf6
8. Bg5 Bc5
9. Qe2+ Be7
10. Bxf6 gxf6
11. 0-0-0 Nc6
12. Qd3 Ne5
13. Qg3 K-f8
14. Kb1 Rg8
15. Qe3 Qd6
16. Re1 Bd7
17. Qe2
GetClub has 0.9 advantage.
[GetClub now as Strong as Rybka]
Post by SAT W-7
GC +0.2
gc has been playing with the lead most of this game..
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
I stopped sending in Rybka moves over the week-end when I noticed that
GetClub, for the first time, suddenly started playing moves which I'd
shared that Rybka had suggested. Of course it played them a move later
than the suggestion, but they were still effective

Over the week-end Rybka would definitely not have played 12.Qd3, but
instead the much better 12.Qh5. Also 14.f4 instead of the time-waster
Kb1. It also analysed 17.Qe2 as ? - yet another queen move - but I wont
share what it would have played yet as that move might still be well
worth playing after Black's next

Cheers - Eric
--
Eric Hallsworth, Countrywide Computers, Victoria House, 1 High Street,
Wilburton, Cambs CB6 3RB. Tel: 01353 740323
Website for Chess & Bridge Computers & Software:
http://www.countrywidecomputers.co.uk
SAT W-7
2009-06-01 12:41:22 UTC
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Ivans move is Queen D-6 to B-4

So in other words Sanny is making GC cheat and play Rybka moves one move
late ? I noticed it did that too ....


nite

even 0.0


i think i see what ivan might do .....
t***@comcast.net
2009-06-01 13:26:07 UTC
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Post by SAT W-7
Ivans move is Queen D-6 to B-4
So in other words Sanny is making GC cheat and play Rybka moves one move
late ?  I noticed it did that too ....
Interesting. In these games between GC and Ivan, I had been posting
analysis of potential future moves, on the assumption that neither
operator would be able to make his program use those moves, that they
would simply have to let the programs play. But if there's even a
chance that Sanny is using such analysis in an unethical way, I shall
have to cease posting potentially usefull variations.
Given Sanny's casual disregard for factual truth and chess rules, it
would not surprise me at all if he's been using analysis posted by Mr.
Hallsworth, myself or others against SAT-W7 and Ivan.
Sanny
2009-06-01 16:36:59 UTC
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Post by SAT W-7
Ivans move is Queen D-6 to B-4
So in other words Sanny is making GC cheat and play Rybka moves one move
late ?  I noticed it did that too ....
  Interesting. In these games between GC and Ivan, I had been posting
analysis of potential future moves, on the assumption that neither
operator would be able to make his program use those moves, that they
would simply have to let the programs play. But if there's even a
chance that Sanny is using such analysis in an unethical way, I shall
have to cease posting potentially usefull variations.
  Given Sanny's casual disregard for factual truth and chess rules, it
would not surprise me at all if he's been using analysis posted by Mr.
Hallsworth, myself or others against SAT-W7 and Ivan.
I am not doing any such thing. GetClub itself is playing as good moves
as Rybka. If you do not believe it. Play a new game with Easy Level
and see for yourself.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
madams
2009-06-02 19:11:27 UTC
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***@comcast.net wrote:
.
Post by t***@comcast.net
Given Sanny's casual disregard for factual truth and chess rules, it
would not surprise me at all if he's been using analysis posted by Mr.
Hallsworth, myself or others against SAT-W7 and Ivan.
Coupla quotes:

“Anything worth having is a thing worth cheating for.”

“It's morally wrong to allow a sucker to keep his money.”

(W.C.Fields)

m.
SAT W-7
2009-06-02 22:07:51 UTC
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have to leave soon for work Sanny ..will be back tomorrow ...

Rybka human vs Rybka normal , who wins ?
Have you played them against each other ?
That would be interesting ...B-4 and F-5 are two very different moves
in this game , i am sure either move will be GC but which move is the
best ?
Well have a good day , i do not feel like going to work but i have
too..
Eric Hallsworth
2009-06-03 09:47:04 UTC
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Post by SAT W-7
have to leave soon for work Sanny ..will be back tomorrow ...
Rybka human vs Rybka normal , who wins ?
Have you played them against each other ?
That would be interesting ...B-4 and F-5 are two very different moves
in this game , i am sure either move will be GC but which move is the
best ?
Well have a good day , i do not feel like going to work but i have
too..
Rybka 3 default v Rybka 3 human is VERY close. I played a 60 game match
and the human setting won 30½-29½, but one has to believe that Vasik
Rajlich the programmer and his team did their own tests and concluded
that the default was slightly stronger, otherwise they wouldn't have
made it the default!

Cheers - Eric
--
Eric Hallsworth, Countrywide Computers, Victoria House, 1 High Street,
Wilburton, Cambs CB6 3RB. Tel: 01353 740323
Website for Chess & Bridge Computers & Software:
http://www.countrywidecomputers.co.uk
SAT W-7
2009-06-03 12:30:59 UTC
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ivans move Rook G-8 to G-7 ...saves pawn

Ivan - 0.I

wow that is so close , rybka normal vs rybka human , yes the programmers
probably did the test too ...All rybka engines are tough to beat.

But id like to see Fritz play in the computer chess championships ,
unless they are scared of Rybka ....Maybe that is why thy do not
participate in them anymore..
SAT W-7
2009-06-04 21:50:13 UTC
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Hi Sanny will check on Friday morning....

Next game step GC up to Easy or Normal level.

have to get ready for work..i do not feel like working but i have
too....
Sanny
2009-06-05 16:16:35 UTC
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GetClub Played Knight to e2. Ne2

1. e4 c5
2. Nf3 e6
3. d4 cxd4
4. Nxd4 a6
5. Be3 d5
6. exd5 exd5
7. Nc3 Nf6
8. Bg5 Bc5
9. Qe2+ Be7
10. Bxf6 gxf6
11. 0-0-0 Nc6
12. Qd3 Ne5
13. Qg3 K-f8
14. Kb1 Rg8
15. Qe3 Qd6
16. Re1 Bd7
17. Qe2 Qb4
18. Rd1 Qd6
19. Qe1 Rc8
20. h3 b5
21. Qe3 b4
22. Qh6 Rg7
23. Ne2

GetClub has 0.36 advantage.

[GetClub now as Strong as Rybka]

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
Sanny
2009-06-05 16:18:14 UTC
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Played Knight at c3 to e2 Nce2

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
Sanny
2009-06-05 16:55:03 UTC
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Post by SAT W-7
ivans move Rook G-8 to G-7 ...saves pawn
Ivan - 0.I
GetClub Played Nce2.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
SAT W-7
2009-06-03 12:30:59 UTC
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ivans move Rook G-8 to G-7 ...saves pawn

Ivan - 0.I

wow that is so close , rybka normal vs rybka human , yes the programmers
probably did the test too ...All rybka engines are tough to beat.

But id like to see Fritz play in the computer chess championships ,
unless they are scared of Rybka ....Maybe that is why thy do not
participate in them anymore..
Sanny
2009-06-01 16:35:22 UTC
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Post by SAT W-7
Ivans move is Queen D-6 to B-4
GetClub Played Rook to d1. Rd1

1. e4 c5
2. Nf3 e6
3. d4 cxd4
4. Nxd4 a6
5. Be3 d5
6. exd5 exd5
7. Nc3 Nf6
8. Bg5 Bc5
9. Qe2+ Be7
10. Bxf6 gxf6
11. 0-0-0 Nc6
12. Qd3 Ne5
13. Qg3 K-f8
14. Kb1 Rg8
15. Qe3 Qd6
16. Re1 Bd7
17. Qe2 Qb4
18. Rd1

GetClub has 0.9 advantage.

[GetClub now as Strong as Rybka]

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
SAT W-7
2009-06-01 17:36:18 UTC
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ivans move is Queen B-4 to D-6 ..

GC + 0.3

so far a interesting battle..
Sanny
2009-06-01 17:58:12 UTC
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ivans move is  Queen B-4 to D-6 ..
GetClub Played Queen to e1. Qe1

1. e4 c5
2. Nf3 e6
3. d4 cxd4
4. Nxd4 a6
5. Be3 d5
6. exd5 exd5
7. Nc3 Nf6
8. Bg5 Bc5
9. Qe2+ Be7
10. Bxf6 gxf6
11. 0-0-0 Nc6
12. Qd3 Ne5
13. Qg3 K-f8
14. Kb1 Rg8
15. Qe3 Qd6
16. Re1 Bd7
17. Qe2 Qb4
18. Rd1 Qd6
19. Qe1

GetClub has 0.55 advantage.

[GetClub now as Strong as Rybka]

Both moving queen aimlessly.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
SAT W-7
2009-06-01 20:09:26 UTC
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Ivans move is Rook A-8 to C-8

Yes it seems like there is no stratagy but since i have the battle
screen i kind of see what ivan wants to do but it will not pull the
trigger ..It just keeps setting up for the move ...

Even game 0.0

will be off and on all day and night .

going to go wash my I968 RT Charger..
Sanny
2009-06-02 05:28:59 UTC
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Ivans move is  Rook A-8 to C-8
GetClub Played Queen to e1. Qe1

1. e4 c5
2. Nf3 e6
3. d4 cxd4
4. Nxd4 a6
5. Be3 d5
6. exd5 exd5
7. Nc3 Nf6
8. Bg5 Bc5
9. Qe2+ Be7
10. Bxf6 gxf6
11. 0-0-0 Nc6
12. Qd3 Ne5
13. Qg3 K-f8
14. Kb1 Rg8
15. Qe3 Qd6
16. Re1 Bd7
17. Qe2 Qb4
18. Rd1 Qd6
19. Qe1 Rc8
20. h3

GetClub has 0.41 advantage.

[GetClub now as Strong as Rybka]

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
SAT W-7
2009-06-02 06:21:29 UTC
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ivans move is Pawn B-7 to B-5

Even game 0.0

ivan has a lot of power going toward your King now..
Sanny
2009-06-02 08:50:56 UTC
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Post by SAT W-7
ivans move is Pawn B-7 to B-5
GetClub Played Queen to e3. Qe3

1. e4 c5
2. Nf3 e6
3. d4 cxd4
4. Nxd4 a6
5. Be3 d5
6. exd5 exd5
7. Nc3 Nf6
8. Bg5 Bc5
9. Qe2+ Be7
10. Bxf6 gxf6
11. 0-0-0 Nc6
12. Qd3 Ne5
13. Qg3 K-f8
14. Kb1 Rg8
15. Qe3 Qd6
16. Re1 Bd7
17. Qe2 Qb4
18. Rd1 Qd6
19. Qe1 Rc8
20. h3 b5
21. Qe3

GetClub has 0.69 advantage.

[GetClub now as Strong as Rybka]

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
Eric Hallsworth
2009-06-02 10:08:58 UTC
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Post by Sanny
Post by SAT W-7
ivans move is Pawn B-7 to B-5
GetClub Played Queen to e3. Qe3
1. e4 c5
2. Nf3 e6
3. d4 cxd4
4. Nxd4 a6
5. Be3 d5
6. exd5 exd5
7. Nc3 Nf6
8. Bg5 Bc5
9. Qe2+ Be7
10. Bxf6 gxf6
11. 0-0-0 Nc6
12. Qd3 Ne5
13. Qg3 K-f8
14. Kb1 Rg8
15. Qe3 Qd6
16. Re1 Bd7
17. Qe2 Qb4
18. Rd1 Qd6
19. Qe1 Rc8
20. h3 b5
21. Qe3
GetClub has 0.69 advantage.
[GetClub now as Strong as Rybka]
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
It was a pity Ivan didn't try 18...Nc4, to see if GetClub could find a
correct defence. But 20.h3 was a little passive and Ivan's 20...b5 a
good and aggressive reply, so the game is definitely interesting. We
need one of the programs to follow through an attack, they both seem to
get themselves into positions with an opportunity and then back off
nervously!

Cheers - Eric
--
Eric Hallsworth, Countrywide Computers, Victoria House, 1 High Street,
Wilburton, Cambs CB6 3RB. Tel: 01353 740323
Website for Chess & Bridge Computers & Software:
http://www.countrywidecomputers.co.uk
Sanny
2009-06-02 10:39:15 UTC
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Post by Eric Hallsworth
It was a pity Ivan didn't try 18...Nc4, to see if GetClub could find a
correct defence. But 20.h3 was a little passive and Ivan's 20...b5 a
good and aggressive reply, so the game is definitely interesting. We
need one of the programs to follow through an attack, they both seem to
get themselves into positions with an opportunity and then back off
nervously!
This time GetClub will win the game.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
SAT W-7
2009-06-02 13:57:06 UTC
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Ivan has been thinking Knight C-4 on almost every move the last 4 to 5
moves but has not made it.....

GC is in trouble .....C-3 Knight only has one safe spot and it blocks
the bishop....

GC needs to play Easy or Normal level then it might win ?
SAT W-7
2009-06-02 13:48:10 UTC
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Pawn B-5 to B-4 is the move ..

Ivan - 0.I , i think the first lead for ivan in this game ?
Eric Hallsworth
2009-06-02 14:32:48 UTC
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Post by SAT W-7
Pawn B-5 to B-4 is the move ..
Ivan - 0.I , i think the first lead for ivan in this game ?
21...b4. Good move. Interestingly Rybka Human style chooses this, but
Rybka Normal just preferred f5. Rybka still evaluates GetClub as just
narrowly ahead, but the immediate attacking opportunities appear to be
with Ivan
--
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Wilburton, Cambs CB6 3RB. Tel: 01353 740323
Website for Chess & Bridge Computers & Software:
http://www.countrywidecomputers.co.uk
Sanny
2009-06-03 05:07:53 UTC
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Post by SAT W-7
Pawn B-5 to B-4 is the move ..
GetClub Played Queen to h6 giving check. Qh6+

1. e4 c5
2. Nf3 e6
3. d4 cxd4
4. Nxd4 a6
5. Be3 d5
6. exd5 exd5
7. Nc3 Nf6
8. Bg5 Bc5
9. Qe2+ Be7
10. Bxf6 gxf6
11. 0-0-0 Nc6
12. Qd3 Ne5
13. Qg3 K-f8
14. Kb1 Rg8
15. Qe3 Qd6
16. Re1 Bd7
17. Qe2 Qb4
18. Rd1 Qd6
19. Qe1 Rc8
20. h3 b5
21. Qe3 b4
22. Qh6

GetClub has 0.77 advantage.

[GetClub now as Strong as Rybka]
Post by SAT W-7
Ivan - 0.I , i think the first lead for ivan in this game ?
How will you save your h7 pawn?

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
Sanny
2009-06-04 04:14:21 UTC
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Waiting for your move

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
help bot
2009-06-04 06:56:26 UTC
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Post by Sanny
Waiting for your move
Wow-- that is quite a time lag!

The move ...R-g7 was sent at 8:30 in the morning,
yet at 12:14 am it still had yet to reach Sanny's far
distant planet. As such interplanetary signals must
travel at the speed of light, we may conclude that
Sanny's home planet is very, very far away.


-- Earth bot
Sanny
2009-06-05 16:23:37 UTC
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Post by Sanny
Waiting for your move
  Wow-- that is quite a time lag!
  The move ...R-g7 was sent at 8:30 in the morning,
yet at 12:14 am it still had yet to reach Sanny's far
distant planet.   As such interplanetary signals must
travel at the speed of light, we may conclude that
Sanny's home planet is very, very far away.
  -- Earth bot
I still couldnt find his move. But since you are saying I accept your
move.

GetClub played Nce2 in response. with advantage of 0.36 to GetClub.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
Eric Hallsworth
2009-06-04 12:14:56 UTC
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Post by Sanny
Waiting for your move
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
Come on Sanny, it's your turn... Ivan played Rg7 yesterday and we're all
waiting to see how you will win the pawn you didn't think could be saved

Cheers - Eric
--
Eric Hallsworth, Countrywide Computers, Victoria House, 1 High Street,
Wilburton, Cambs CB6 3RB. Tel: 01353 740323
Website for Chess & Bridge Computers & Software:
http://www.countrywidecomputers.co.uk
t***@comcast.net
2009-06-04 13:31:59 UTC
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Post by Eric Hallsworth
Post by Sanny
Waiting for your move
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
Come on Sanny, it's your turn... Ivan played Rg7 yesterday and we're all
waiting to see how you will win the pawn you didn't think could be saved
I suspect Sanny has the typical beginner's misapprehension that the
only way out of check is to move the king. He does not think of
interpositions, esepcially a dual-purpose move that both blocks the
check and defends the pawn.
I once looked in on a game between a couple of kids. One gave
check, which she announced was mate. Her opponent agreed, as did
several onlookers, all of them adults but inexperienced. I said, "That
is not mate." None of them believed me, until I played a simple
interposition, a two-square bishop move that blocked the check.
Perhaps Sanny was among those onlookers.
Post by Eric Hallsworth
Cheers - Eric
--
Eric Hallsworth, Countrywide Computers, Victoria House, 1 High Street,
Wilburton, Cambs CB6 3RB. Tel: 01353 740323
Website for Chess & Bridge Computers & Software:http://www.countrywidecomputers.co.uk
Sanny
2009-06-05 17:01:35 UTC
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Post by Eric Hallsworth
Come on Sanny, it's your turn... Ivan played Rg7 yesterday and we're all
waiting to see how you will win the pawn you didn't think could be saved
  I suspect Sanny has the typical beginner's misapprehension that the
only way out of check is to move the king. He does not think of
interpositions, esepcially a dual-purpose move that both blocks the
check and defends the pawn.
I am very disturbed these days, So I missed theis move.
   I once looked in on a game between a couple of kids. One gave
check, which she announced was mate. Her opponent agreed, as did
several onlookers, all of them adults but inexperienced. I said, "That
is not mate." None of them believed me, until I played a simple
interposition, a two-square bishop move that blocked the check.
  Perhaps Sanny was among those onlookers.
I too find simmilar moves. Once a child was able to get the Queen but
he missed that and I saved my Queen.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
SAT W-7
2009-06-05 17:39:22 UTC
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Sanny why are you disturbed ?
SAT W-7
2009-06-05 17:34:01 UTC
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Should we start a new thread ?

I was thinking that GC was thinking for 2 days on this knight move
.ha ha

Ivans move is King F-8 to G-8

Ivan - 0.I
t***@comcast.net
2009-06-05 18:17:00 UTC
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Post by SAT W-7
Should we start a new thread ?
  I was thinking that GC was thinking for  2 days on this knight move
.ha ha
  Ivans move is King F-8 to G-8
Ivan  - 0.I
Fritz8 rates the position as virtually even, whereas not long ago it
gave GC a won game. The recent trend has been entirely in Ivan's favor.
SAT W-7
2009-06-05 17:35:22 UTC
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Ivans move King F-8 to G-8 ...

I think that is what i said ..i hope ..

I just woke up and still am tired..
Sanny
2009-06-08 05:31:06 UTC
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Post by SAT W-7
Ivans move King F-8 to G-8 ...
GetClub Played Knight to f4. Nf4

1. e4 c5
2. Nf3 e6
3. d4 cxd4
4. Nxd4 a6
5. Be3 d5
6. exd5 exd5
7. Nc3 Nf6
8. Bg5 Bc5
9. Qe2+ Be7
10. Bxf6 gxf6
11. 0-0-0 Nc6
12. Qd3 Ne5
13. Qg3 K-f8
14. Kb1 Rg8
15. Qe3 Qd6
16. Re1 Bd7
17. Qe2 Qb4
18. Rd1 Qd6
19. Qe1 Rc8
20. h3 b5
21. Qe3 b4
22. Qh6 Rg7
23. Ne2 Kg8
24. Nf4

GetClub has 0.55 advantage.

[GetClub now as Strong as Rybka]

Your king under attack by 2 knights and Queen.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
t***@comcast.net
2009-06-04 13:31:59 UTC
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Post by Eric Hallsworth
Post by Sanny
Waiting for your move
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
Come on Sanny, it's your turn... Ivan played Rg7 yesterday and we're all
waiting to see how you will win the pawn you didn't think could be saved
I suspect Sanny has the typical beginner's misapprehension that the
only way out of check is to move the king. He does not think of
interpositions, esepcially a dual-purpose move that both blocks the
check and defends the pawn.
I once looked in on a game between a couple of kids. One gave
check, which she announced was mate. Her opponent agreed, as did
several onlookers, all of them adults but inexperienced. I said, "That
is not mate." None of them believed me, until I played a simple
interposition, a two-square bishop move that blocked the check.
Perhaps Sanny was among those onlookers.
Post by Eric Hallsworth
Cheers - Eric
--
Eric Hallsworth, Countrywide Computers, Victoria House, 1 High Street,
Wilburton, Cambs CB6 3RB. Tel: 01353 740323
Website for Chess & Bridge Computers & Software:http://www.countrywidecomputers.co.uk
help bot
2009-06-04 06:56:26 UTC
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Post by Sanny
Waiting for your move
Wow-- that is quite a time lag!

The move ...R-g7 was sent at 8:30 in the morning,
yet at 12:14 am it still had yet to reach Sanny's far
distant planet. As such interplanetary signals must
travel at the speed of light, we may conclude that
Sanny's home planet is very, very far away.


-- Earth bot
Eric Hallsworth
2009-06-04 12:14:56 UTC
Permalink
Post by Sanny
Waiting for your move
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
Come on Sanny, it's your turn... Ivan played Rg7 yesterday and we're all
waiting to see how you will win the pawn you didn't think could be saved

Cheers - Eric
--
Eric Hallsworth, Countrywide Computers, Victoria House, 1 High Street,
Wilburton, Cambs CB6 3RB. Tel: 01353 740323
Website for Chess & Bridge Computers & Software:
http://www.countrywidecomputers.co.uk
Sanny
2009-06-04 04:14:21 UTC
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Waiting for your move

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at:http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
t***@comcast.net
2009-06-01 20:28:10 UTC
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Post by Sanny
[GetClub now as Strong as Rybka]
Both moving queen aimlessly.
Another example of how Sanny contradicts himself from one sentence
to the next. Rybka tends to play with an almost human purposefulness,
combined with machine-like economy of effort. It does not make aimless
queen moves. Yet somehow Sanny wants us to belive that GetClub, which
here is doing little else but aimless queen moves, is as strong as
Rybka.

After playing the opening badly, Ivan has done well to get its house
in fairly good order, while GC, which earlier could have delivered a
knockout punch, hasn't a clue how to proceed. Objectively the current
position is still somewhat in White's favor, but the trend of the game
is slowly turning in Black's favor.
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