Discussion:
GETCLUB vs IVAN LAST THREAD.
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SAT W-7
2008-03-12 14:27:46 UTC
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King E-4 to F-3 ..

I left this move at the other spot too .....

It was thinking of moving the H-pawn just like i would have done then
changed his mind and was going to move King to D-3 then changed his mind
again to the F-3 move that it made. 6 min of thinking on those 3
moves......

I would have to count the moves but if ivan moves king to g-3 or 4
then h-pawn to 4 then bishop takes pawn , king takes bishop then king to
g-4 then king takes pawn...Ivans moves .
But all the while ivan is making those moves , GC is moving his king
c-3 to d-4 then of course has to move his bishop to take the pawn ,
but then he can take B-5 pawn ....

You want to call this game a draw or keep playing it out ? Id like to
keep playing and see what happens ..What do you want to do ?
Sanny
2008-03-12 17:37:09 UTC
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GetClub Normal Level Play K-b2(Kb3-b2)

1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 Nc6
3. d4 exd4
4. Nxd4 Bc5
5. Nb3 Bb4+
6. c3 Be7
7. Nd4 Nxd4
8. cxd4 Nf6
9. e5 Ne4
10. Qc2 d5
11. f3 Bh4+??? {One Point Loss} (added the check indicator)
12. g3 Nxg3
13. hxg3 Bxg3+
14. Kd1 g6
15. Nc3 c6
16. Bh6 Bf5
17. Bd3 Bxd3
18. Qxd3 R-g8
19. R-h3 Bf2
20. K-e2 B-h4
21. Nxd5 Qxd5
22. Rxh4 Qd8
23. Re4 Qb6
24. Qb3 0-0
25. Qxb6 a7xQ
26. Rc1 Kd7
27. Bg5 Ra8
28. a3 Rh8
29. Rf4 f5
30. Rh1 h5
31. Bf6 Rg8
32 d5 cxd5
33. Rd1 Ra5
34. Rc4 Rb5
35. Ke1 Ra8
36. Rc3 g5
37. Bxg5 Ke6
38. b4 Kxe5
39. f4+ Ke6
40. Rdd3 Re8
41. Re3+ Kd7
42. Rxe8 Kxe8
43. Rc8+ Kd7
44. Rf8 d4
45. Rd8+ Ke6
46. Rxd4 Rd5
47. R-d2 Rxd2
48. Kxd2 Kd5
49. Kc3 Kc6
50. Be7 b5
51. Kb3 Kd5
52. Bf6 Ke4
53. Bg5 Kf3
54. Kb2


GetClub is playing clueless. Now It will keep playing king & Bishop
without any solution.

It thought for 20 min on this move and played the worst move possible.
Looks like IVAN will win this game because of poor end game of
GetClub.

Just reply whenever you are free.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
SAT W-7
2008-03-12 18:25:03 UTC
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Ivans move King F-3 to G-4

Yes GC's move was bad , i have no idea how hard it is to program
software but you should spend a day or two on his end game ..Or does it
takes weeks ???

GC dropped from + 2.5 or so down to I.3 so that means ivan thinks he
is coming back in this game ..

You want to call this game a draw ?

i think ivans next few moves will be H-5 to h-4 , bishop takes pawn ,
king takes bishop then king to go after gc F-4 pawn then king move and
drive the F-5 pawn to a queen ..

Let me know what you think ..

I have had fun playing this game , both computers are pretty = , they
both make mistakes ...I think ivan defended really well from the
eleventh move on ...

I would like to have a rematch some time down the road , maybe with GC's
strongest level ..
Is GC's strongest level a little better in the end game ?

If you say draw then what i am going to do is play the game out and see
what happens , maybe ask helpbot to play GC's position and see what
happens ......

But if you want to finish this game we can do that too ..GC's move
......

i have a little running around to do but i will check later...
Sanny
2008-03-12 18:41:55 UTC
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GetClub Normal Level Play B-e7(Bg5-e7)

1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 Nc6
3. d4 exd4
4. Nxd4 Bc5
5. Nb3 Bb4+
6. c3 Be7
7. Nd4 Nxd4
8. cxd4 Nf6
9. e5 Ne4
10. Qc2 d5
11. f3 Bh4+??? {One Point Loss} (added the check indicator)
12. g3 Nxg3
13. hxg3 Bxg3+
14. Kd1 g6
15. Nc3 c6
16. Bh6 Bf5
17. Bd3 Bxd3
18. Qxd3 R-g8
19. R-h3 Bf2
20. K-e2 B-h4
21. Nxd5 Qxd5
22. Rxh4 Qd8
23. Re4 Qb6
24. Qb3 0-0
25. Qxb6 a7xQ
26. Rc1 Kd7
27. Bg5 Ra8
28. a3 Rh8
29. Rf4 f5
30. Rh1 h5
31. Bf6 Rg8
32 d5 cxd5
33. Rd1 Ra5
34. Rc4 Rb5
35. Ke1 Ra8
36. Rc3 g5
37. Bxg5 Ke6
38. b4 Kxe5
39. f4+ Ke6
40. Rdd3 Re8
41. Re3+ Kd7
42. Rxe8 Kxe8
43. Rc8+ Kd7
44. Rf8 d4
45. Rd8+ Ke6
46. Rxd4 Rd5
47. R-d2 Rxd2
48. Kxd2 Kd5
49. Kc3 Kc6
50. Be7 b5
51. Kb3 Kd5
52. Bf6 Ke4
53. Bg5 Kf3
54. Kb2 Kg4
55. Be7

This game IVAN will win as after the Bishop is killed IVAN can take
the (f4) pawn and get a Queen and I think GetClub will keep its king
in that corner till it has to resign.

End Game is very weak for all levels. GetClub is only good in Middle
game.

Just reply whenever you are free.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
SBD
2008-03-12 20:31:33 UTC
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On Mar 12, 1:41 pm, Sanny <***@hotmail.com> wrote:
GetClub is only good in Middle
game.
"Good" meaning of course, it might beat an 1100 on a good day.
SAT W-7
2008-03-12 20:35:14 UTC
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H-5 to H-4 pawn move

It was thinking of taking the pawn with the king , i am surprised it did
not ....

Now gc + I.4

After the bishop is gone i will be intersted in seeing if ivan go's from
+ to -- means ivan is winning..
Sanny
2008-03-13 04:58:28 UTC
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GetClub Normal Level Play P-a4(Pa3-a4)

1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 Nc6
3. d4 exd4
4. Nxd4 Bc5
5. Nb3 Bb4+
6. c3 Be7
7. Nd4 Nxd4
8. cxd4 Nf6
9. e5 Ne4
10. Qc2 d5
11. f3 Bh4+??? {One Point Loss} (added the check indicator)
12. g3 Nxg3
13. hxg3 Bxg3+
14. Kd1 g6
15. Nc3 c6
16. Bh6 Bf5
17. Bd3 Bxd3
18. Qxd3 R-g8
19. R-h3 Bf2
20. K-e2 B-h4
21. Nxd5 Qxd5
22. Rxh4 Qd8
23. Re4 Qb6
24. Qb3 0-0-0
25. Qxb6 a7xQ
26. Rc1 Kd7
27. Bg5 Ra8
28. a3 Rh8
29. Rf4 f5
30. Rh1 h5
31. Bf6 R/hg8
32 d5 cxd5
33. Rd1 Ra5
34. Rc4 Rb5
35. Ke1 Ra8
36. Rc3 g5
37. Bxg5 Ke6
38. b4 Kxe5
39. f4+ Ke6
40. Rdd3 Re8
41. Re3+ Kd7
42. Rxe8 Kxe8
43. Rc8+ Kd7
44. Rf8 d4
45. Rd8+ Ke6
46. Rxd4 Rd5
47. R-d2 Rxd2
48. Kxd2 Kd5
49. Kc3 Kc6
50. Be7 b5
51. Kb3 Kd5
52. Bf6 Ke4
53. Bg5 Kf3
54. Kb2 Kg4
55. Be7 h4
56 a4

Now you can get your Queen with h4 pawn as GetClub has no way to stop
it.

Just reply whenever you are free.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
SAT W-7
2008-03-13 05:17:26 UTC
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Pawn H4 to H-3

Yes that GC move made ivan go to
- 5.3 .....

Mite as well finish it to checkmate , that will still take a lot of
moves ....
Sanny
2008-03-13 06:42:19 UTC
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GetClub Normal Level Play B-c5(Be7-c5)

1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 Nc6
3. d4 exd4
4. Nxd4 Bc5
5. Nb3 Bb4+
6. c3 Be7
7. Nd4 Nxd4
8. cxd4 Nf6
9. e5 Ne4
10. Qc2 d5
11. f3 Bh4+??? {One Point Loss} (added the check indicator)
12. g3 Nxg3
13. hxg3 Bxg3+
14. Kd1 g6
15. Nc3 c6
16. Bh6 Bf5
17. Bd3 Bxd3
18. Qxd3 R-g8
19. R-h3 Bf2
20. K-e2 B-h4
21. Nxd5 Qxd5
22. Rxh4 Qd8
23. Re4 Qb6
24. Qb3 0-0-0
25. Qxb6 a7xQ
26. Rc1 Kd7
27. Bg5 Ra8
28. a3 Rh8
29. Rf4 f5
30. Rh1 h5
31. Bf6 R/hg8
32 d5 cxd5
33. Rd1 Ra5
34. Rc4 Rb5
35. Ke1 Ra8
36. Rc3 g5
37. Bxg5 Ke6
38. b4 Kxe5
39. f4+ Ke6
40. Rdd3 Re8
41. Re3+ Kd7
42. Rxe8 Kxe8
43. Rc8+ Kd7
44. Rf8 d4
45. Rd8+ Ke6
46. Rxd4 Rd5
47. R-d2 Rxd2
48. Kxd2 Kd5
49. Kc3 Kc6
50. Be7 b5
51. Kb3 Kd5
52. Bf6 Ke4
53. Bg5 Kf3
54. Kb2 Kg4
55. Be7 h4
56. a4 h3
57. Bc5

Yes, now IVAN will win the game.

Just reply whenever you are free.

Bye
Sanny


Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
SAT W-7
2008-03-13 12:43:59 UTC
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Pawn H-3 to H-2


Now - 6.00 .....

Yes ivan will win but this has been a exciting game to me ...
Sanny
2008-03-14 06:03:38 UTC
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GetClub Normal Level Play K-a2(Kb2-a2)

1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 Nc6
3. d4 exd4
4. Nxd4 Bc5
5. Nb3 Bb4+
6. c3 Be7
7. Nd4 Nxd4
8. cxd4 Nf6
9. e5 Ne4
10. Qc2 d5
11. f3 Bh4+??? {One Point Loss} (added the check indicator)
12. g3 Nxg3
13. hxg3 Bxg3+
14. Kd1 g6
15. Nc3 c6
16. Bh6 Bf5
17. Bd3 Bxd3
18. Qxd3 R-g8
19. R-h3 Bf2
20. K-e2 B-h4
21. Nxd5 Qxd5
22. Rxh4 Qd8
23. Re4 Qb6
24. Qb3 0-0-0
25. Qxb6 a7xQ
26. Rc1 Kd7
27. Bg5 Ra8
28. a3 Rh8
29. Rf4 f5
30. Rh1 h5
31. Bf6 R/hg8
32 d5 cxd5
33. Rd1 Ra5
34. Rc4 Rb5
35. Ke1 Ra8
36. Rc3 g5
37. Bxg5 Ke6
38. b4 Kxe5
39. f4+ Ke6
40. Rdd3 Re8
41. Re3+ Kd7
42. Rxe8 Kxe8
43. Rc8+ Kd7
44. Rf8 d4
45. Rd8+ Ke6
46. Rxd4 Rd5
47. R-d2 Rxd2
48. Kxd2 Kd5
49. Kc3 Kc6
50. Be7 b5
51. Kb3 Kd5
52. Bf6 Ke4
53. Bg5 Kf3
54. Kb2 Kg4
55. Be7 h4
56. a4 h3
57. Bc5 h2
58. Ka2

Lets see in how many moves IVAN wins the game.

Just reply whenever you are free.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
SAT W-7
2008-03-14 14:53:34 UTC
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Pawn B-5 x A-4 ....pawn x pawn..

It may take awhile ...

i was thinking if GC moves king to a-2 and bishop to B-2
, maybe gc can force a draw still ?

have to work today and it mite be a long shift , late tonight ...? mite
not be back here for awhile. 8.00 am now but i mite not get back home
until 8 or ten pm .....by by off line until i get home from
work.....I2.00 noon to ???
Sanny
2008-03-15 05:51:21 UTC
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GetClub Normal Level Play K-a3(Ka2-a3)

1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 Nc6
3. d4 exd4
4. Nxd4 Bc5
5. Nb3 Bb4+
6. c3 Be7
7. Nd4 Nxd4
8. cxd4 Nf6
9. e5 Ne4
10. Qc2 d5
11. f3 Bh4+??? {One Point Loss} (added the check indicator)
12. g3 Nxg3
13. hxg3 Bxg3+
14. Kd1 g6
15. Nc3 c6
16. Bh6 Bf5
17. Bd3 Bxd3
18. Qxd3 R-g8
19. R-h3 Bf2
20. K-e2 B-h4
21. Nxd5 Qxd5
22. Rxh4 Qd8
23. Re4 Qb6
24. Qb3 0-0-0
25. Qxb6 a7xQ
26. Rc1 Kd7
27. Bg5 Ra8
28. a3 Rh8
29. Rf4 f5
30. Rh1 h5
31. Bf6 R/hg8
32 d5 cxd5
33. Rd1 Ra5
34. Rc4 Rb5
35. Ke1 Ra8
36. Rc3 g5
37. Bxg5 Ke6
38. b4 Kxe5
39. f4+ Ke6
40. Rdd3 Re8
41. Re3+ Kd7
42. Rxe8 Kxe8
43. Rc8+ Kd7
44. Rf8 d4
45. Rd8+ Ke6
46. Rxd4 Rd5
47. R-d2 Rxd2
48. Kxd2 Kd5
49. Kc3 Kc6
50. Be7 b5
51. Kb3 Kd5
52. Bf6 Ke4
53. Bg5 Kf3
54. Kb2 Kg4
55. Be7 h4
56. a4 h3
57. Bc5 h2
58. Ka2 bxa4
59. Ka3

I think it will take sometime to Mate with Queen as GetClub has a
Bishop.

Just reply whenever you are free.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
SAT W-7
2008-03-15 11:41:55 UTC
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Pawn B-7 to B-5 ..

Yes i think it will take awhile ..

ivan - 7 now..
Sanny
2008-03-15 16:25:34 UTC
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GetClub Normal Level Play B-d6(Bc5-d6)

1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 Nc6
3. d4 exd4
4. Nxd4 Bc5
5. Nb3 Bb4+
6. c3 Be7
7. Nd4 Nxd4
8. cxd4 Nf6
9. e5 Ne4
10. Qc2 d5
11. f3 Bh4+??? {One Point Loss} (added the check indicator)
12. g3 Nxg3
13. hxg3 Bxg3+
14. Kd1 g6
15. Nc3 c6
16. Bh6 Bf5
17. Bd3 Bxd3
18. Qxd3 R-g8
19. R-h3 Bf2
20. K-e2 B-h4
21. Nxd5 Qxd5
22. Rxh4 Qd8
23. Re4 Qb6
24. Qb3 0-0-0
25. Qxb6 a7xQ
26. Rc1 Kd7
27. Bg5 Ra8
28. a3 Rh8
29. Rf4 f5
30. Rh1 h5
31. Bf6 R/hg8
32 d5 cxd5
33. Rd1 Ra5
34. Rc4 Rb5
35. Ke1 Ra8
36. Rc3 g5
37. Bxg5 Ke6
38. b4 Kxe5
39. f4+ Ke6
40. Rdd3 Re8
41. Re3+ Kd7
42. Rxe8 Kxe8
43. Rc8+ Kd7
44. Rf8 d4
45. Rd8+ Ke6
46. Rxd4 Rd5
47. R-d2 Rxd2
48. Kxd2 Kd5
49. Kc3 Kc6
50. Be7 b5
51. Kb3 Kd5
52. Bf6 Ke4
53. Bg5 Kf3
54. Kb2 Kg4
55. Be7 h4
56. a4 h3
57. Bc5 h2
58. Ka2 bxa4
59. Ka3 b5
60. Bd6

Just reply whenever you are free.

Bye
Sanny


Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
SAT W-7
2008-03-15 16:33:08 UTC
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H-2 to H-I pawn to Queen


Yes make ivan take pawn with the queen and bishop takes queen ..GC still
mite be able to force a draw ?
Sanny
2008-03-15 17:00:02 UTC
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GetClub Normal Level Play K-b2(Ka3-b2)

1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 Nc6
3. d4 exd4
4. Nxd4 Bc5
5. Nb3 Bb4+
6. c3 Be7
7. Nd4 Nxd4
8. cxd4 Nf6
9. e5 Ne4
10. Qc2 d5
11. f3 Bh4+??? {One Point Loss} (added the check indicator)
12. g3 Nxg3
13. hxg3 Bxg3+
14. Kd1 g6
15. Nc3 c6
16. Bh6 Bf5
17. Bd3 Bxd3
18. Qxd3 R-g8
19. R-h3 Bf2
20. K-e2 B-h4
21. Nxd5 Qxd5
22. Rxh4 Qd8
23. Re4 Qb6
24. Qb3 0-0-0
25. Qxb6 a7xQ
26. Rc1 Kd7
27. Bg5 Ra8
28. a3 Rh8
29. Rf4 f5
30. Rh1 h5
31. Bf6 R/hg8
32 d5 cxd5
33. Rd1 Ra5
34. Rc4 Rb5
35. Ke1 Ra8
36. Rc3 g5
37. Bxg5 Ke6
38. b4 Kxe5
39. f4+ Ke6
40. Rdd3 Re8
41. Re3+ Kd7
42. Rxe8 Kxe8
43. Rc8+ Kd7
44. Rf8 d4
45. Rd8+ Ke6
46. Rxd4 Rd5
47. R-d2 Rxd2
48. Kxd2 Kd5
49. Kc3 Kc6
50. Be7 b5
51. Kb3 Kd5
52. Bf6 Ke4
53. Bg5 Kf3
54. Kb2 Kg4
55. Be7 h4
56. a4 h3
57. Bc5 h2
58. Ka2 bxa4
59. Ka3 b5
60. Bd6 h1(Q)
61.Kb2

Just reply whenever you are free.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
help bot
2008-03-12 22:00:20 UTC
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Post by Sanny
GetClub Normal Level Play K-b2(Kb3-b2)
1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 Nc6
3. d4 exd4
4. Nxd4 Bc5
5. Nb3 Bb4+
6. c3 Be7
7. Nd4 Nxd4
8. cxd4 Nf6
9. e5 Ne4
10. Qc2 d5
11. f3 Bh4+??? {One Point Loss} (added the check indicator)
12. g3 Nxg3
13. hxg3 Bxg3+
14. Kd1 g6
15. Nc3 c6
16. Bh6 Bf5
17. Bd3 Bxd3
18. Qxd3 R-g8
19. R-h3 Bf2
20. K-e2 B-h4
21. Nxd5 Qxd5
22. Rxh4 Qd8
23. Re4 Qb6
24. Qb3 0-0
"O-O" represents castling *Kingside*,
whereas in this game Black castled to
the other side, which is denoted by
"O-O-O". [I am using capital letter "o",
while Sanny prefers zeros.]
Post by Sanny
25. Qxb6 a7xQ
26. Rc1 Kd7
27. Bg5 Ra8
28. a3 Rh8
29. Rf4 f5
30. Rh1 h5
31. Bf6 Rg8
Which Rook to g8? R/h-g8.
Post by Sanny
32 d5 cxd5
33. Rd1 Ra5
34. Rc4 Rb5
35. Ke1 Ra8
36. Rc3 g5
37. Bxg5 Ke6
38. b4 Kxe5
39. f4+ Ke6
40. Rdd3 Re8
41. Re3+ Kd7
42. Rxe8 Kxe8
43. Rc8+ Kd7
44. Rf8 d4
45. Rd8+ Ke6
46. Rxd4 Rd5
47. R-d2 Rxd2
48. Kxd2 Kd5
49. Kc3 Kc6
50. Be7 b5
51. Kb3 Kd5
52. Bf6 Ke4
53. Bg5 Kf3
54. Kb2
GetClub is playing clueless. Now It will keep playing king & Bishop
without any solution.
It thought for 20 min on this move and played the worst move possible.
Looks like IVAN will win this game because of poor end game of
GetClub.
It appears that Black will play ...Kg4, ...h4,
...KxB, ...Kg4, ...Kxf4, and go on to Queen
the f-pawn.

---------------------------------------------------------------

Just a few moves back, White could have
maneuvered his Bishop to d4-- blocking the
d5 pawn from advancing, and thus trapping
the Black Rook on the b5 square "forever".
In that case, White would essentially be a
Rook (and more) ahead.


-- help bot
Sanny
2008-03-15 17:03:24 UTC
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Post by Sanny
24. Qb3 0-0
  "O-O" represents castling *Kingside*,
whereas in this game Black castled to
the other side, which is denoted by
"O-O-O".  [I am using capital letter "o",
while Sanny prefers zeros.]
Corrected
Post by Sanny
31. Bf6 Rg8
 Which Rook to g8?  R/h-g8.
Corrected

Bye
Sanny

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SAT W-7
2008-03-15 17:08:22 UTC
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Pawn A-4 to A-3 ??? check

All he said was check so that tells me he is not sure of winning the
game..

Usually it will say i will destroy you..

Not sure why it made that move now ?
Sanny
2008-03-15 17:50:00 UTC
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GetClub Normal Level Play Kxa3(Kb2xa3)

1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 Nc6
3. d4 exd4
4. Nxd4 Bc5
5. Nb3 Bb4+
6. c3 Be7
7. Nd4 Nxd4
8. cxd4 Nf6
9. e5 Ne4
10. Qc2 d5
11. f3 Bh4+??? {One Point Loss} (added the check indicator)
12. g3 Nxg3
13. hxg3 Bxg3+
14. Kd1 g6
15. Nc3 c6
16. Bh6 Bf5
17. Bd3 Bxd3
18. Qxd3 R-g8
19. R-h3 Bf2
20. K-e2 B-h4
21. Nxd5 Qxd5
22. Rxh4 Qd8
23. Re4 Qb6
24. Qb3 0-0-0
25. Qxb6 a7xQ
26. Rc1 Kd7
27. Bg5 Ra8
28. a3 Rh8
29. Rf4 f5
30. Rh1 h5
31. Bf6 R/hg8
32 d5 cxd5
33. Rd1 Ra5
34. Rc4 Rb5
35. Ke1 Ra8
36. Rc3 g5
37. Bxg5 Ke6
38. b4 Kxe5
39. f4+ Ke6
40. Rdd3 Re8
41. Re3+ Kd7
42. Rxe8 Kxe8
43. Rc8+ Kd7
44. Rf8 d4
45. Rd8+ Ke6
46. Rxd4 Rd5
47. R-d2 Rxd2
48. Kxd2 Kd5
49. Kc3 Kc6
50. Be7 b5
51. Kb3 Kd5
52. Bf6 Ke4
53. Bg5 Kf3
54. Kb2 Kg4
55. Be7 h4
56. a4 h3
57. Bc5 h2
58. Ka2 bxa4
59. Ka3 b5
60. Bd6 h1(Q)
61. Kb2 a3
62. Kxa3

a3 is correct move. Now, IVAN will give Check and take the Bishop.

Just reply whenever you are free.


Bye
Sanny


Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
SAT W-7
2008-03-15 18:13:05 UTC
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Ivans move is H-I to C-I , check

Your bishop is on B-6 .. Yes i see it.

Now - 9.6

Man i am bugged i have to leave for a few hours and i know your here ,
sorry but i will move when i get home..
My next day off is next Thur so i need to get some stuff done today ..
Sanny
2008-03-15 18:40:36 UTC
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GetClub Normal Level Play K-b3(Ka3-b3)

1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 Nc6
3. d4 exd4
4. Nxd4 Bc5
5. Nb3 Bb4+
6. c3 Be7
7. Nd4 Nxd4
8. cxd4 Nf6
9. e5 Ne4
10. Qc2 d5
11. f3 Bh4+??? {One Point Loss} (added the check indicator)
12. g3 Nxg3
13. hxg3 Bxg3+
14. Kd1 g6
15. Nc3 c6
16. Bh6 Bf5
17. Bd3 Bxd3
18. Qxd3 R-g8
19. R-h3 Bf2
20. K-e2 B-h4
21. Nxd5 Qxd5
22. Rxh4 Qd8
23. Re4 Qb6
24. Qb3 0-0-0
25. Qxb6 a7xQ
26. Rc1 Kd7
27. Bg5 Ra8
28. a3 Rh8
29. Rf4 f5
30. Rh1 h5
31. Bf6 R/hg8
32 d5 cxd5
33. Rd1 Ra5
34. Rc4 Rb5
35. Ke1 Ra8
36. Rc3 g5
37. Bxg5 Ke6
38. b4 Kxe5
39. f4+ Ke6
40. Rdd3 Re8
41. Re3+ Kd7
42. Rxe8 Kxe8
43. Rc8+ Kd7
44. Rf8 d4
45. Rd8+ Ke6
46. Rxd4 Rd5
47. R-d2 Rxd2
48. Kxd2 Kd5
49. Kc3 Kc6
50. Be7 b5
51. Kb3 Kd5
52. Bf6 Ke4
53. Bg5 Kf3
54. Kb2 Kg4
55. Be7 h4
56. a4 h3
57. Bc5 h2
58. Ka2 bxa4
59. Ka3 b5
60. Bd6 h1(Q)
61. Kb2 a3
62. Kxa3 Qc1+
63. Kb3

Just reply whenever you are free.


Bye
Sanny


Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
SAT W-7
2008-03-15 20:47:12 UTC
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Queen C-I to D-I check ,

now - 9.9

still it will take many moves to checkmate gc.

I am not ready to say ivan is stronger than GC .....I do not think
one game is sufficient enough to make that judgment ....

Both have made a lot of mistakes in this game.....

I think ivan's opening sucked and then the blunder , then some of
the moves in the end game could have cost it the game...

what i think will happen is GC moves the king , ivan takes the bishop ,
then gc moves the king and ivan takes F-4 pawn then gc moves the king
and ivan moves the queen then gc moves the king and ivan drives the
F-pawn to another queen then soon checkmate.....?
Sanny
2008-03-16 06:40:32 UTC
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GetClub Normal Level Play K-b2(Kb3-b2)

1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 Nc6
3. d4 exd4
4. Nxd4 Bc5
5. Nb3 Bb4+
6. c3 Be7
7. Nd4 Nxd4
8. cxd4 Nf6
9. e5 Ne4
10. Qc2 d5
11. f3 Bh4+??? {One Point Loss} (added the check indicator)
12. g3 Nxg3
13. hxg3 Bxg3+
14. Kd1 g6
15. Nc3 c6
16. Bh6 Bf5
17. Bd3 Bxd3
18. Qxd3 R-g8
19. R-h3 Bf2
20. K-e2 B-h4
21. Nxd5 Qxd5
22. Rxh4 Qd8
23. Re4 Qb6
24. Qb3 0-0-0
25. Qxb6 a7xQ
26. Rc1 Kd7
27. Bg5 Ra8
28. a3 Rh8
29. Rf4 f5
30. Rh1 h5
31. Bf6 R/hg8
32 d5 cxd5
33. Rd1 Ra5
34. Rc4 Rb5
35. Ke1 Ra8
36. Rc3 g5
37. Bxg5 Ke6
38. b4 Kxe5
39. f4+ Ke6
40. Rdd3 Re8
41. Re3+ Kd7
42. Rxe8 Kxe8
43. Rc8+ Kd7
44. Rf8 d4
45. Rd8+ Ke6
46. Rxd4 Rd5
47. R-d2 Rxd2
48. Kxd2 Kd5
49. Kc3 Kc6
50. Be7 b5
51. Kb3 Kd5
52. Bf6 Ke4
53. Bg5 Kf3
54. Kb2 Kg4
55. Be7 h4
56. a4 h3
57. Bc5 h2
58. Ka2 bxa4
59. Ka3 b5
60. Bd6 h1(Q)
61. Kb2 a3
62. Kxa3 Qc1+
63. Kb3 Qd1+
64. Kb2
Post by SAT W-7
what i think will happen is GC moves the king , ivan takes the bishop ,
then gc moves the king and ivan takes F-4 pawn then gc moves the king
and ivan moves the queen then gc moves the king and ivan drives the
F-pawn to another queen then soon checkmate.....?
Yes your Analysis is correct. This Game will end in 70-80 Moves.

Just reply whenever you are free.


Bye
Sanny


Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
SAT W-7
2008-03-16 10:07:44 UTC
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Queen D-I x D-6 Bishop ..

3.00 AM Seattle time now , need to get ready for work ..5.00 am too ?
I will not be home until 5 , 6 , 7 , or 8 PM , i hope not that long but
i never know when i will get off work..
But i will move when i get home from work and before i go to work
Monday and the same all week...Just trying to save you from coming here
every hour to see if i moved .....
Sanny
2008-03-16 12:23:16 UTC
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GetClub Normal Level Play K-c2(Kb2-c2)


1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 Nc6
3. d4 exd4
4. Nxd4 Bc5
5. Nb3 Bb4+
6. c3 Be7
7. Nd4 Nxd4
8. cxd4 Nf6
9. e5 Ne4
10. Qc2 d5
11. f3 Bh4+??? {One Point Loss} (added the check indicator)
12. g3 Nxg3
13. hxg3 Bxg3+
14. Kd1 g6
15. Nc3 c6
16. Bh6 Bf5
17. Bd3 Bxd3
18. Qxd3 R-g8
19. R-h3 Bf2
20. K-e2 B-h4
21. Nxd5 Qxd5
22. Rxh4 Qd8
23. Re4 Qb6
24. Qb3 0-0-0
25. Qxb6 a7xQ
26. Rc1 Kd7
27. Bg5 Ra8
28. a3 Rh8
29. Rf4 f5
30. Rh1 h5
31. Bf6 R/hg8
32 d5 cxd5
33. Rd1 Ra5
34. Rc4 Rb5
35. Ke1 Ra8
36. Rc3 g5
37. Bxg5 Ke6
38. b4 Kxe5
39. f4+ Ke6
40. Rdd3 Re8
41. Re3+ Kd7
42. Rxe8 Kxe8
43. Rc8+ Kd7
44. Rf8 d4
45. Rd8+ Ke6
46. Rxd4 Rd5
47. R-d2 Rxd2
48. Kxd2 Kd5
49. Kc3 Kc6
50. Be7 b5
51. Kb3 Kd5
52. Bf6 Ke4
53. Bg5 Kf3
54. Kb2 Kg4
55. Be7 h4
56. a4 h3
57. Bc5 h2
58. Ka2 bxa4
59. Ka3 b5
60. Bd6 h1(Q)
61. Kb2 a3
62. Kxa3 Qc1+
63. Kb3 Qd1+
64. Kb2 Qxd6
65. Kc2

Just reply whenever you are free.


Bye
Sanny


Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
Bill Plenge
2008-03-16 12:06:05 UTC
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Post by Sanny
GetClub Normal Level Play K-b2(Kb3-b2)
1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 Nc6
3. d4 exd4
4. Nxd4 Bc5
5. Nb3 Bb4+
6. c3 Be7
7. Nd4 Nxd4
8. cxd4 Nf6
9. e5 Ne4
10. Qc2 d5
11. f3 Bh4+??? {One Point Loss} (added the check indicator)
12. g3 Nxg3
13. hxg3 Bxg3+
14. Kd1 g6
15. Nc3 c6
16. Bh6 Bf5
17. Bd3 Bxd3
18. Qxd3 R-g8
19. R-h3 Bf2
20. K-e2 B-h4
21. Nxd5 Qxd5
22. Rxh4 Qd8
23. Re4 Qb6
24. Qb3 0-0-0
25. Qxb6 a7xQ
26. Rc1 Kd7
27. Bg5 Ra8
28. a3 Rh8
29. Rf4 f5
30. Rh1 h5
31. Bf6 R/hg8
32 d5 cxd5
33. Rd1 Ra5
34. Rc4 Rb5
35. Ke1 Ra8
36. Rc3 g5
37. Bxg5 Ke6
38. b4 Kxe5
39. f4+ Ke6
40. Rdd3 Re8
41. Re3+ Kd7
42. Rxe8 Kxe8
43. Rc8+ Kd7
44. Rf8 d4
45. Rd8+ Ke6
46. Rxd4 Rd5
47. R-d2 Rxd2
48. Kxd2 Kd5
49. Kc3 Kc6
50. Be7 b5
51. Kb3 Kd5
52. Bf6 Ke4
53. Bg5 Kf3
54. Kb2 Kg4
55. Be7 h4
56. a4 h3
57. Bc5 h2
58. Ka2 bxa4
59. Ka3 b5
60. Bd6 h1(Q)
61. Kb2 a3
62. Kxa3 Qc1+
63. Kb3 Qd1+
64. Kb2
Post by SAT W-7
what i think will happen is GC moves the king , ivan takes the
bishop , then gc moves the king and ivan takes F-4 pawn then gc
moves the king and ivan moves the queen then gc moves the king and
ivan drives the F-pawn to another queen then soon checkmate.....?
Yes your Analysis is correct. This Game will end in 70-80 Moves.
Just reply whenever you are free.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
According to Chessmaster's analysis:

The current position is a mate in 10.

Side note:
61. ... a3 was mate in 10, but 61. ... Qd1 was mate in 6 and Ivan chose
the weaker move.
Since then Ivan has reapeatedly made similar moves, getting down to mate in
8 and then back up to mate in 10.


Best,
Bill
Sanny
2008-03-16 12:25:44 UTC
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 The current position is a mate in 10.
Yes with Queen alone it is forced Mate.
 61. ... a3 was mate in 10, but 61. ... Qd1 was  mate in 6 and Ivan chose
the weaker move.
 Since then Ivan has reapeatedly made similar moves, getting down to mate in
8 and then back up to mate in 10.
Both IVAN and GETCLUB plays badly. In middle game GetClub was a Bishop
up but now in Endgame IVAN promoted its pawn to Queen.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
Bill Plenge
2008-03-16 13:00:12 UTC
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Post by Sanny
Post by Bill Plenge
The current position is a mate in 10.
Yes with Queen alone it is forced Mate.
Post by Bill Plenge
61. ... a3 was mate in 10, but 61. ... Qd1 was mate in 6 and Ivan
chose the weaker move.
Since then Ivan has reapeatedly made similar moves, getting down to
mate in 8 and then back up to mate in 10.
Both IVAN and GETCLUB plays badly. In middle game GetClub was a Bishop
up but now in Endgame IVAN promoted its pawn to Queen.
Bye
Sanny
Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
I think GetClub outplayed Ivan in the middle game, I took GetClubs postition
at move 48 and gave chessmaster at it's best game Ivans and won easily
despite being a much weaker player then CM. I know you've mentioned
GetClubs endgame wasn't too good. I didn't realize that Ivans wasn't very
good either until I looked over the last 10 moves or so. Being a programmer
myself I'm fairly impressed with GetClub, it plays better then anything I'd
write. Ivan on the other hand is a commercial product, I expected more of
it's end game.

Best,
Bill
SAT W-7
2008-03-16 23:10:43 UTC
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Queen D-6 x B-4 pawn ....

Hey thanks for that info Bill...

Can you tell which one is stronger after only one game ?

Could they play better if they opened different ? It seemed to me
Ivans opening sucked , but i can make it open with the queens pawn or
knights out first , do you think ivan mite play a better game ?

Do you think if Sanny worked on his end game more , it would be better
playing some of the positions ? How long does it take to work on the
end game , a few days or a few weeks ?
I have no idea how to program a chess computer..
By the way the box for ivan say's I800 ELO but i do not belive that +
i have no idea who made the chess program for it either ..
I think there next level UP is called GRAND MASTER and i belive it is
rated at 2250 ELO ?
BUT i would not belive that because i do not belive ivans claimed elo...

Have you played your chess master I0 vs Fritz I0 or HIARCS or
Shredder ? who won if your did ? As black or white ?

Thanks ...
Sanny
2008-03-17 05:19:50 UTC
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GetClub Normal Level Play K-c1(Kc2-c1)

1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 Nc6
3. d4 exd4
4. Nxd4 Bc5
5. Nb3 Bb4+
6. c3 Be7
7. Nd4 Nxd4
8. cxd4 Nf6
9. e5 Ne4
10. Qc2 d5
11. f3 Bh4+??? {One Point Loss} (added the check indicator)
12. g3 Nxg3
13. hxg3 Bxg3+
14. Kd1 g6
15. Nc3 c6
16. Bh6 Bf5
17. Bd3 Bxd3
18. Qxd3 R-g8
19. R-h3 Bf2
20. K-e2 B-h4
21. Nxd5 Qxd5
22. Rxh4 Qd8
23. Re4 Qb6
24. Qb3 0-0-0
25. Qxb6 a7xQ
26. Rc1 Kd7
27. Bg5 Ra8
28. a3 Rh8
29. Rf4 f5
30. Rh1 h5
31. Bf6 R/hg8
32 d5 cxd5
33. Rd1 Ra5
34. Rc4 Rb5
35. Ke1 Ra8
36. Rc3 g5
37. Bxg5 Ke6
38. b4 Kxe5
39. f4+ Ke6
40. Rdd3 Re8
41. Re3+ Kd7
42. Rxe8 Kxe8
43. Rc8+ Kd7
44. Rf8 d4
45. Rd8+ Ke6
46. Rxd4 Rd5
47. R-d2 Rxd2
48. Kxd2 Kd5
49. Kc3 Kc6
50. Be7 b5
51. Kb3 Kd5
52. Bf6 Ke4
53. Bg5 Kf3
54. Kb2 Kg4
55. Be7 h4
56. a4 h3
57. Bc5 h2
58. Ka2 bxa4
59. Ka3 b5
60. Bd6 h1(Q)
61. Kb2 a3
62. Kxa3 Qc1+
63. Kb3 Qd1+
64. Kb2 Qxd6
65. Kc2 Qxb4
66. Kc1

Till end game GetClub Played better. When End game came GetClub played
worse. IVAN played with same strength in both end game and middle
game.

Just reply whenever you are free.

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
SAT W-7
2008-03-17 10:03:15 UTC
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Queen B-4 to C-3 , check..

i just hope ivan does not make this a draw or stalemate ..

off to work and i am not sure when i will get home ?

by by
Sanny
2008-03-17 10:36:45 UTC
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GetClub RESIGNED.!!! IVAN has Won the Game.

Game Played between IVAN and Normal at GetClub.com

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IVAN: (Black)
Normal: (White)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM18256&game=Chess
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

White -- Black
(Normal) -- (IVAN)

1. e2-e4{6} e7-e5{32}
2. Ng1-f3{146} Nb8-c6{102}
3. d2-d4{88} e5-d4{38}
4. Nf3-d4{190} Bf8-c5{34}
5. Nd4-b3{154} Bc5-b4{36}
6. c2-c3{80} Bb4-e7{16}
7. Nb3-d4{234} Nc6-d4{16}
8. c3-d4{172} Ng8-f6{32}
9. e4-e5{92} Nf6-e4{20}
10. Qd1-c2{188} d7-d5{18}
11. f2-f3{224} Be7-h4{48}
12. g2-g3{122} Ne4-g3{30}
13. h2-g3{148} Bh4-g3{148}
14. Ke1-d1{104} g7-g6{22}
15. Nb1-c3{114} c7-c6{64}
16. Bc1-h6{176} Bc8-f5{46}
17. Bf1-d3{160} Bf5-d3{28}
18. Qc2-d3{206} Rh8-g8{34}
19. Rh1-h3{196} Bg3-f2{16}
20. Kd1-e2{194} Bf2-h4{22}
21. Nc3-d5{262} Qd8-d5{18}
22. Rh3-h4{156} Qd5-d8{46}
23. Rh4-e4{154} Qd8-b6{84}
24. Qd3-b3{138} Ke8-c8{118}
25. Qb3-b6{96} a7-b6{364}
26. Ra1-c1{104} Kc8-d7{26}
27. Bh6-g5{140} Rd8-a8{30}
28. a2-a3{196} Rg8-h8{16}
29. Re4-f4{170} f7-f5{58}
30. Rc1-h1{126} h7-h5{92}
31. Bg5-f6{206} Rh8-g8{18}
32. d4-d5{98} c6-d5{30}
33. Rh1-d1{96} Ra8-a5{70}
34. Rf4-c4{148} Ra5-b5{50}
35. Ke2-e1{156} Rg8-a8{16}
36. Rc4-c3{172} g6-g5{34}
37. Bf6-g5{156} Kd7-e6{42}
38. b2-b4{80} Ke6-e5{44}
39. f3-f4{90} Ke5-e6{74}
40. Rd1-d3{90} Ra8-e8{14}
41. Rd3-e3{136} Ke6-d7{14}
42. Re3-e8{106} Kd7-e8{122}
43. Rc3-c8{92} Ke8-d7{14}
44. Rc8-f8{140} d5-d4{24}
45. Rf8-d8{202} Kd7-e6{16}
46. Rd8-d4{190} Rb5-d5{24}
47. Rd4-d2{282} Rd5-d2{88}
48. Ke1-d2{118} Ke6-d5{12}
49. Kd2-c3{116} Kd5-c6{24}
50. Bg5-e7{326} b6-b5{22}
51. Kc3-b3{100} Kc6-d5{20}
52. Be7-f6{140} Kd5-e4{30}
53. Bf6-g5{90} Ke4-f3{26}
54. Kb3-b2{1274} Kf3-g4{120}
55. Bg5-e7{104} h5-h4{14}
56. a3-a4{116} h4-h3{8}
57. Be7-c5{118} h3-h2{132}
58. Kb2-a2{124} b5-a4{12}
59. Ka2-a3{112} b7-b5{14}
60. Bc5-d6{102} Qh2-h1{Q}{14}
61. Ka3-b2{148} a4-a3{20}
62. Kb2-a3{126} Qh1-c1{10}
63. Ka3-b3{142} Qc1-d1{242}
64. Kb3-b2{290} Qd1-d6{10}
65. Kb2-c2{128} Qd6-b4{38}
66. Kc2-c1{108} Qb4-c3{88}
67. Kc
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IVAN: (Black)
Normal: (White)
Game Played at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
View Recorded Game: http://www.getclub.com/playgame.php?id=DM18256&game=Chess

Bye
Sanny


Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
SAT W-7
2008-03-17 21:33:29 UTC
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Did you resign him or did it do it on it's own ?
Just wondering because i have not seen ivan resign before ....

I did think this was a exciting game even with some of the bad moves
..

I am not ready to say Ivan is stronger , can we have a rematch in the
future ?

If ivan plays white it can only do it from the 7th and 8th ranks so it
thinks black is on the first and second rank ..So the queens are in
different spots ..

Thank you for letting ivan play vs GC..


You should spend a little time on GC end game........

Well have a good one ...
Sanny
2008-03-18 05:18:22 UTC
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Post by SAT W-7
Did you resign him or did it do it on it's own ?
Just wondering because i have not seen ivan resign before ....
   I did think this was a exciting game even with some of the bad moves
..
  I am not ready to say Ivan is stronger , can we  have a rematch in the
future ?  
 If ivan plays white it can only do it from the 7th and 8th ranks so it
thinks black is on the first and second rank ..So the queens are in
different spots ..
  Thank you  for letting ivan play vs GC..
  You should spend a little time on GC end game........
Well have a good one ...
Yes the game was improved in end game a bit, may be now it works
better. But only on real testing it would be seen.

GetClub resigned as it saw a forced Mate.

For the new game Should I take White? Or Black. If White then I will
tell my move. And if Black please tell your move.

Normal vs IVAN(1-2 min/move)

Bye
Sanny

Play Chess at: http://www.GetClub.com/Chess.html
Bill Plenge
2008-03-19 02:13:03 UTC
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Post by SAT W-7
Queen D-6 x B-4 pawn ....
Hey thanks for that info Bill...
Can you tell which one is stronger after only one game ?
I never said which one was stronger over all just that in this particular
game GetClub out played Ivan through the middle game.
Post by SAT W-7
Could they play better if they opened different ? It seemed to me
Ivans opening sucked , but i can make it open with the queens pawn or
knights out first , do you think ivan mite play a better game ?
I'd like to see this too, my main interest in the thread was I was
considering buying Ivan, I still might. I was looking for something to play
one breaks/lunch at work.
Post by SAT W-7
Do you think if Sanny worked on his end game more , it would be
better playing some of the positions ? How long does it take to work
on the end game , a few days or a few weeks ?
I have no idea how to program a chess computer..
By the way the box for ivan say's I800 ELO but i do not belive that
+ i have no idea who made the chess program for it either ..
I think there next level UP is called GRAND MASTER and i belive it is
rated at 2250 ELO ?
BUT i would not belive that because i do not belive ivans claimed elo...
I think GetClubs 2 main areas of improvement would be to first get it to
recognize all the rules if it doesn't already (I saw another thread mention
it doesn't comply with the 3 repetition draw.) More work on the end game
could only improve it, in this game it gave away a won position in the end
game. As to how long it would take I couldn't make a reasonable guess, I
have no clue how structured it's code is, if it is structured it would be
easier. I also don't know how Sanny would approach improving it's end game,
whether it would be feasable to add common end game sinto the existing
program or to write a specialized end game engine to kick in once an
appropriate position has been reach. Of course that also leaves the issue
of when the program decides it's "appropriate" to switch to its end game
engine.
Post by SAT W-7
Have you played your chess master I0 vs Fritz I0 or HIARCS or
Shredder ? who won if your did ? As black or white ?
Thanks ...
I could try it against Fritz 9, I don't have 10. I noticed a site that lets
me play against shredder, I could try CM there too. When I do I'll let you
know the results. I haven't played CM against any other programs yet, only
against itself as different "personalitys." I doubt the GM personalitys are
too accurate though, in a 6 game match playing Bobby Fischer against Arron
Nimzovich who ever had white always won. I may be wrong, but I think if
such a match were possible between those 2 players Fischer would win more
frequently. Even assuming equal skill, Fischer had the adavantage many more
decades of opening theory to draw upon. I'd guess the engine is only trying
to emulate style and not changes in chess theory from the time periods of
the GMs.

I'll be replacing my computer in about 2 months and am curious to see how
the increase in processing power reslects in it's play.

I look forward to seeing other GC/Ivan games, but would reccomend moving the
postings to rec.games.chess.computer where they are more on topic instead of
here in rec.games.chess.misc where they've drawn some ire.


Best,
Bill
SAT W-7
2008-03-19 03:30:25 UTC
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Ok on moving to the chess computer discussions board ...I am sure Sanny
will be OK with it too..

DO NOT BUY IVAN , well if you do take it out of the box and read the
instructions and see if you can get ivan to the strongest level ..
And if the guy will not let you then keep your recept and as soon as you
get it home see if you can get i to the strongest level and if you can
not , take it back the next day ..
I got my ivan really cheap because the store was going out of business
..They were practically giving them away ..20 $ or so ..

I am supposed to have ivan 2 and i have always thought i have ivan one
.My instructions say ivan should get too TH225 for the strongest level
BUT it only go's too THI45 ..That number is not even i the manul ..
I have had ivan for a few years and so i called Florida and the
sticker and serial number both match ivan 2 but why not the instructions
? They did not have a answer so i sent it all the way to Florida and
their tech guy looked at it and could not figure it out either so they
sent i back ..

I have THI45 is the highest i can go BUT here is what the instructions
say ....I will start with the 4's strongest level and go UP ..
THI30 , THI55 , TH200 , and TH225 ....
Now see my ivan number is not even in the instructions .?????
This has always bugged me especially when i started playing computer vs
computer ...

i use my ( I ) as the number one , my number one button is missing
..This webtv and key board are old and worn out ..

nite

If i have to buy one today id save a few extra $$ and get the Grand
Master , that mite be there best one unless they have come out with a
better one ? I have not looked at there stuff in a long time ...
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